Mattie McGrath: Urges end to enforced retirement below pension age
Mattie McGrath spoke in support of a bill that prevents employers enforcing contractual retirement ages below the state pension age without an employee's consent. He welcomed the bill as implementing a government commitment from the Pensions Commission response and urged further measures to protect affected workers and small employers.
Bill overview
The bill delivers a statutory provision that an employer may not enforce a contractual retirement age below the state pension age if the employee does not consent to retire. McGrath said the measure implements a key commitment in the government's response to the Pensions Commission recommendations and implementation plan.
Fairness for long-serving workers
McGrath described an anomaly where long-serving employees, including state workers, were forced to retire and register at the labour exchange, which he called unjust and unfair. He argued the bill gives choice to those who wish to continue working beyond 65, but warned it does not go far enough for many who want to work past 66.
Assistants and teachers' assistants
He urged that assistants and teachers' assistants, including those in ETB settings, receive the same standards, pay and conditions - covering holiday pay, sick pay and annual leave. McGrath noted some of these cases have been referred to the NRC and pressed for equal recognition for those workers.
Small employers and business pressures
Declaring an interest in his own company of up to 25 employees, McGrath praised his workforce and warned small businesses face growing bureaucratic burdens and costs. He said the legislation is necessary but acknowledged it will add administrative demands on small employers who already manage health and safety and other compliance requirements.
Transport and school bus drivers
McGrath highlighted a persistent anomaly preventing 70-year-olds from operating school buses despite fitness and medical certification, contributing to part-time driver shortages. He said small bus companies struggle to fulfil tendered routes because of the driver shortage and urged a practical fix for the sector.
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Let's dive into the discussions shaping the nation. The bill delivers a statutory provision which sets out that an employer may not enforce contractual retirement age, which is below the state pension age, if the employee does not consent to retire. The bill implements a key commitment included in the government's response to the Pensions Commission recommendations and implementations plan. I think it's very timely and appropriate as one of the first pieces of legislation this new government are enacting, because the anomaly there for decades where people had worked 40 years maybe service, and many of them, you know, state employees as well as everything else, and been forced then to attend at the local labour exchange, got shocked them. And it was highly, I think, unjust, unjust and unfair and indignant to them. People that, you know, I don't respect anybody who goes to the labour exchange, but people who always wanted to work, did work, and were forced to sign on then on the, for the, for the 12 months, or 15 months, or wherever it was. And I know this bill can't include everyone. I know, I want people to stick to the bill, and I am, but I'm also asking for the situation regarding the, a lot of the assistants and teachers' assistants, and you'll be aware of this minister, you know, in ETB and elsewhere, who have been up here many times to meet with us, and up here bigotting, to get the recognition. I know it's gone to the NRC now, but those people deserve to have the same standards. We can't have yellow pack workers in a situation where you have the Montori and the other people, and then you have the others, like ourselves were called the others at the moment, and then what do we call next? I don't like that terminology. I don't like that being done to anybody. They should be entitled to the same pay and conditions, because the pay is one thing, but the conditions are holiday pay, sick pay, and annual leave, everything else as well. Many people have found themselves in an unfortunate position of having to retire from their employment at 65, when they do not want to, and I found themselves, as I said, in a position that they are going to opt to seek a benefit until the age of 66, and that's not, you know, fair to them. It's important that this is not made, that it's not made in any way compulsory, and that no person will be compelled to walk beyond 65, but it's important that they will have a choice to do so if they so wish, and would not find themselves seeking employment or a sort of welfare payment at 65. Indeed, many want to walk beyond 66, and the bill will not go far enough in that regard. So we must also be mindful, and I know all the speakers have spoken about it, and I suppose I should have declared myself that my own company, you know, we have up to 25 employees, and, you know, many, many excellent workers, some of them have a huge longevity, and it is hard now at the moment out to get staff, in any walk of life, to get people, but we have a wonderful workforce, and I want to praise them and thank them, because without them the company wouldn't function. So I'm not speaking because I'm just declaring that I have an interest in the employment situation myself, but the situation of the employer, and indeed the small employer, and the small businesses, they must be nurtured, because they are coming under huge pressures, and huge, you know, bureaucratic pressures, and I no doubt this piece of legislation will add to that, but it's necessary. I mean, if you employ, and you know this count, call yourself, you're in a business background, if you have, you know, five or six employees now, and I might say 25 or six, you would need a secretarial position to manage all the paperwork for at least every five of them, because it's just enormous, and it's growing and expanding, from health and safety and HACCP, you name it or whatever, many things are very, very necessary, but we're burdened down in small employers, and big employers, but small employers especially, who are maybe family-run business, maybe they're far, I'll say Bankela, and maybe sometimes just a man or woman in their own small business owners, they are completely overburdened with bureaucracy, plus all the costs that are in business as well. Many of our older citizens provide very important services to our community, and are happy to do so, but they're being penalised by being forced to retire. We see a very common problem, and this is mentioned, and you'll allow me, I hope I can't call the bus there, and we don't allow 70-year-olds operate a school bus, despite them being fit and able to do so. And this has been raised here for the last four years, and I've raised it with three different teachers, Minister of Transport and everybody else, and I don't know why it's still there. There's a cute shortage of part-time drivers for people to do it, especially in these schools, and also school runs, and the ironic part about it, I won't repeat it to be mentioned, they can drive people to mattresses and everybody else and a stroke of a pain, if they have a medically certified, and they're willing to be medically certified even three times a year, if necessary. Well, save for these parraments, especially with children, but this is an anomaly that must be fixed, because many, many small bus companies are unable to fulfil the routes they get. They tender for them, they get them, and then they're short to drivers, and that's not to any fault of their own, but it must be changed. I accept that not everyone wants to work beyond 65 or 66, but for many who have worked all their lives, they want to remain in active employment, and we must respect the right to do so. If you're an anomaly, I'm going to see E schemes, vital parts of our communities. I'm caught here, I've got my own scheme, and BNNB in Newcastle, and Bellarmine Calvary, County Waterford in Tipperary, and we're short now at the moment, every scheme out, short to five or six places, can't get employees. And we're the best of people, providing, I have Ahlou Falter at the moment, a wonderful Ahlouc tourist office, and a woman they've been forced to retire, and she wants to continue working, she's playing a vital role in the community, it's good for her, it's good for the community, and it's good for everything else, and we're pleading with the powers that be. Thankfully, since COVID, I must thank, you know, the people in social welfare, who have given rollovers and extensions to our members, but long term it's not feasible, the schemes won't stay going, the community work won't be done, very important work, it's not all cutting grass, there's lots of work in schools, in GA fields, in all kinds of services for the elderly, daycares, all those centres, and they need those people to be able to continue, if they want to continue, not if they want to retire, fine, but we must look at that anomaly, because the workforce is limited, and where you have people who enjoy their work, love their work, are well involved and able to do their work, leave them where they're happiest and being occupied, and also providing excellent service, so I commend this piece of legislation, Minister, and wish his passion well to the healthcare model. Like, share, and subscribe, and let us know your thoughts in the comments. We'd love to hear from you.
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